Wednesday, May 1, 2013

A Debate I Had Last Night


The following it a Twitter debate between myself and two fundies (at first). I call them He and She. He drops out in the middle.

Me: Can I ask you some questions about God?

He:  Any questions you ask isn't relevant because you're assuming human logic can understand God and His ways.

Me:  Not these questions.

He:  Let's hear them.

Me:   Is God omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent?

He:  Yes

Me:  And God created everything?

He:  Yes, and I know what you're going to ask me. Lol

Me:  Okay, what?

He:  Just ask me the question. Lol

Me:  Did God create Satan?

She:  He was Gods right hand angel who lusted for power thus falling and taking heavenly hosts with him so yes God created Lucifer. Lucifer got power hungry & fell from heaven and became Satan

Me:  Good, did God create evil?

He:  Evil is the absence of good not a creation in itself.

Me:  Are you sure?

He:  yeah you can't create evil.

Me:  Read Isaiah 45:7

She:  And evil isn't the opposite of good, just the absence. just like cold isn't the opposite of hot. just the absence.

He:  Very sure. He allowed satan to have a choice. Don't ask me why

Me: Did you read the verse in the King James Version?

He:  be careful when taking single verses from the Bible without understanding the context.

Note:  This is a typical defense ploy. Out of context can be real but in this case, God is bragging to Cyrus about things He has done. Here's Isaiah 45:7 from the King James Bible  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

She:  atheists have a habit of doing that.

Me:  Of doing what? Taking a verse as it is written? How can a direct statement from God be taken wrongly?

Me:  In Isaiah 45:7, it's a direct statement from God and, in the King James Bible, clearly says, "I created evil."

She:  notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is. that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena ( sun light dark) and it is God who is able to cause well being as well as "calamity" as other bibles translate evil

Me:  So then, we can question the words of God?

He:  read it in context dudeeee

He:  You can take one liners from any book and twist and turn them, fyi. You have to understand context.

Me:  My next question was, 'Is God more powerful than Satan?"

She:  You're the only one questioning God. and yes most certainly He is. that's why Satan exists. He wanted to be as powerful of God as Lucifer.

Me:  Next question, Is God considered our father?

She:  Our heavenly Father yes.

Me:  Could God destroy Satan any time He wanted to?

She:  He's going to, yes. Its Gods plan.

She: We dont know the difference. and we're better off not knowing. God sent

His Son to make a way for us to live

Me: God sent himself to sacrifice himself to himself to forgive sins he created himself...makes sense to me.

She:  God did not create sin.

Me: Okay, we can forget that question for my purposes it's moot anyway. So to recap, God created everything,  God created Satan, God is omniscient, omnipotent and ominbenevolent and God is more powerful than Satan, right?

Me:  Here's my point: I submit that your god is evil. If he could destroy Satan anytime he wants, to protect his children that he loves perfectly and doesn't do it. Your god is evil.

Me: Any being who purposely allows evil to happen and not stop it is evil, too

Me:  God created sin. He made the rules that make up sin. Do you wear a cotton shirt with polyester pants by chance?

She:  No, God did not create sin. I'm done for the night.

1 comment:

  1. Handled extremely well by you, especially throughout the host of defense strategies (and dishonest ones, at that) that were employed against your questions. My biggest qualm with their mode of interacting with you comes from the refusal to answer some questions directly, but mostly from the "context" argument. Notice how the proper context was not given. It's my experience that the "context" defense is rarely, if ever accompanied by an actual, substantive citation of context that somehow refutes the quotation in question.

    In this case, I don't see any context of Isaiah that would debunk the meaning that it seems to apparently have.

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